American media is pretty good at distracting everyone from the fact a coalition government has now been formed in Ukraine consisting of Neo-Nazis from the Svoboda and Right Sector parties.
No coverage on US Assistant Secretary of State, Victoria Nuland, or her condemning and revealing phone calls that push for regime change, or EU Foreign Affairs Chief, Catherine Ashton’s equally condemning phone calls that reveal the sniper attacks on protesters and Ukrainian police forces were from the new far right coalition.. or good ol’ John McCain’s dealings with Svoboda’s leader, Oleh Tyahnybok, who’s forces are allegedly behind the death toll. Svoboda now control the local armed forces, national security, justice and education buildings in Kiev. They have taken caches of weapons from defense forces, all while more far-right, extremists flock to the city.
Surely nothing suspicious is afoot, and surely Russia has no reason for alarm… right? It is easy to point fingers were the media tells you, but there is a lot more going on beneath the surface of the events at hand.
lmao that’s a confederate flag
ukrainiandystopia I remember you saying that there some Neo-Nazis but most people weren’t. What do you think of this?
Though the logic of you question escapes me (You said that most people aren’t Neo-Nazis… Well here is a bunch of pictures taken out of context, all from different time&places! So that proves that most people are Neo-Nazis, right?) sure, let’s take a look of what you’ve got.
First, let me point out the most notorious pieces of disinformation in the OP:
1. The first picture is a photoshopped fake. Here’s the original.
I still don’t understand how would anyone fall for that. The original itself is quite controversial, as it is a poster of Stepan Bandera, a man some people view as a hero and some as a villain. That’s why that poster only has been there for a few hours - it was almost immediately replaced by a banner with Taras Shevchenko.
2. As for the photo where Tyahnybok “gives a Nazi salute” - what is the source? All search results lead me to American sites filled with hysteria about how Nazis have seized power in Ukraine. Sorry but unless I see a video that would clearly show that he is giving a Nazi salute and now waving or pointing at something, I won’t consider it an issue. Also, do they really give a Nazi salute with a left hand?
I understand the appeal of the picture: the pathos, the dramatic lightning backdrop - but it sure makes Tyahnybok look like he’s something bigger than he actually is. Though with all the media trying to paint Tyahnybok as the new Hitler he sure has to pay more attention to his body language.
3. “ phone calls that reveal the sniper attacks on protesters and Ukrainian police forces were from the new far right coalition..." is exactly what Putin said at his press conference recently. Before that, our ex-government refused having something to do with the killings and claimed that extremist groups of the protesters just shoot each other. Before the killings, they claimed that those who have been severely injured, lost their eyes, their hands in clashes did it to themselves intentionally to discredit the government. Should I continue?
This particular piece of bullshit is just atrocious. Those who are responsible for killing dosens of people claim that they were killed by their own… If you still believe this is true you can go straight to hell.
4. “Right Sector parties" - Right Sector does not equal "right wing". It doesn’t have "parties". Right sector itself is not a party, it’s a paramilitary organization.
5. Also, Tyahnybok does not control the Right sector. Come to think of it, it’s the Right Sector the West should be more concerned about, but all the fuss is around Svoboda.
6. “Svoboda now control the local armed forces, national security, justice and education buildings in Kiev. … all while more far-right, extremists flock to the city" Again, Svoboda does not equal Right Sector. Right sector did control what, two governmental buildings? but not all of them and not anymore. Also it’s funny how I live in Kyiv and don’t see "extremists" everywhere. Newsflash: if there were any armed people on the streets of Kyiv, that was two weeks ago, when violent clashes between the government forces and the protesters had their culmination. Now Kyiv is quite peaceful.
Overall this piece is very dated, full of hysteria, anti-Ukrainian propaganda and does not represent the actual situation in Kyiv. So that concludes what do I think of “that”, whatever “that” is.
I understand that it’s really easy to jump into conclusions about our right-wing movements when you only judge them by pictures like that but… I’ve read the Svoboda party’s programme. I keep an eye on everything the Right sector publishes. What I see now is that they are not fascists and definitely not Nazis. Xenophobes, maybe. Homophobes, mostly. Rasists, some of them. Nationalists, of course. But definitely not Third Reich fans. And they’re still not the majority.
Yes, some supporters of Svoboda party use the Celtic cross and the “idea of the nation” symbol. They’re not their official symbolic though. But to explain all the controversy surrounding the Svoboda party and the Right sector I’ll need to go in very long explanations on the history of these movements and their ideology and this post is already turning into an essay. Also, I’m at a disadvantage because due to my not-so-great language skills it literally takes me days to write a decent post. So if you’ll excuse me, I’d continue this tomorrow. Join us next time to learn more about Svoboda party, the Right sector and… what do I think about them!
I was asking for a debunking since I’d seen you say how images of neo nazis weren’t in control or representative of the revolution.